Attorney General Debate
Pennsylvania Progressive Summit
February 10, 2012n
Arch St. United Methodist Church
Democratic Candidates
Kathleen Granaham Kane (former Assistant District Attorney in Lackawana County) and
PatrickMurphy (former Congressman from Bucks County).
Moderator:
Michael Morrill of Keystone Progress.
Two minute opening and closing statements. Questions alternate between candidates, with
a 1.5 minute response and a 30 second rebuttal (note: there wasn’t always a rebuttal).
Caveat: I was
scribbling notes using a book as a desk.
My handwriting is not especially neat at the best of times and after a
few days can be tricky even for me to interpret. Should you see anything that looks out of
place, please confirm with the campaign.
As always, I apologize in advance for any errors or misconceptions.
Blogger’s note: The
catch(phrase) of the day seemed to be, from the Kane campaign: I’m a prosecutor not a politician. From Murphy:
I’m a leader who will fight the big fights. Murphy is a more relaxed campaigner, no
doubt due to experience. Kane seems a
little stiff but that might improve over the course of the campaign. A straw poll vote was taken at the debate;
results were announced the next morning, with Murphy the winner.
Opening Statements:
K: The AG is the
chief law enforcement officer of the Commonwealth. As the Assistant District Attorney of Lackawanna County
I prosecuted child sexual abuse, elder abuse.
We need a prosecutor not a politician in the AG office. The AG needs to know the laws of the
Commonwealth.
M: This is our 4th
debate. We’re at a crossroads. Our progressive values are at stake. Some AGs push a right wing agenda, some don’t
do much, others do everything possible to make people’s lives better, take on the
fights, the right to choose, environmental issues, fight wherever – the street,
boardroom or Harrisburg. Integrity and
guts.
Q1: What have done to
help working people organize?
M: Supported rights
of workers every day of my life. Grew up
in NE Philly, father a police officer for 20+ years, have fought for workers’
rights, Free Choice Act, fight for living wage, need a leader to fight for
working men and women.
K: Growing up father
worked for Loudon Hill, lost job, then worked as a janitor, became shop steward
(?) for AFSCME, spent time in courtroom not Congress, good wages for good
people.
Q2: [quoting specific
law], vouchers?
K: Public school
education funding cut, brother is a teacher, crime will go up, between 3:30 and
6:30 crime goes up if kids don’t have something to do, public / private
partnership, link education to law enforcement.
Education is cornerstone of community.
M: The PA
Constitution forbids it unless there is a 2/3 vote, need leaders to stand up
for education. Taught at West Point,
sister teaches 6th grade.
Q3: raise social
justice issues?
M: Absolutely important to go after crime where it happens, also need to be
consumer advocate. That is my
background, fought for Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, especially protect
seniors, most vulnerable.
AG is consumer
advocate for PA.
K: AG has 700
employees, 17 offices in 6 regions, crime biggest section. Consumer protection another part. Not rhetoric, needs to be reality. Consumer protection is theft. Have prosecuted many cases, head of insurance
fraud unit. Need to do more, been a
prosecutor.
M: Co-sponsored CFPB,
added amendment to protect seniors
K: Murphy done well
in introducing bills. I was in the
courtroom. Have the laws but they’ve
been dormant.
Q4: Art 1 Sec 1
Constitution, what does it mean?
K: All people are
equal, justice for all. Because a
prosecutor, because believe in law, right over wrong. AG last line of justice in that
courtroom. Doesn’t matter if you are
rich or poor, justice for all.
Prosecuted judges.
M: Treat all equally.
I too have prosecuted cases, in the military and in federal cases. My opponent thought Corbett did such a good
job she wrote him a personal check. Can
give speeches but records needs to be clear.
K: Did write a check
for Corbett when he was running for re-election as AG.
At least I didn’t vote for George Bush.
I’ve practiced in PA courtrooms.
M: You wrote a $10K
check to Lackawanna Co DA, not the same as an absentee ballot 12 years ago
while in the military.
Q5: Art 1, Sec 28 PA
Constitution, pertains to same sex marriage?
K: I believe in same
sex marriage. Legislator made it
political. 19 year career as an
attorney, fought for all those years.
Supported Republican as DA because the Democratic candidate had never
been in the courtroom.
M: Need an AG who
will fight. Either believe in values and
fight for them or not.
K: Protect kids
against abuse, those are big fights over values. Office for prosecutor.
Q6: fracking and HB
1950, local control.
K: Fracking needs to
have full disclosure. Close
loopholes. No reason chemicals pumped in
ground and we don’t’ know what they are.
We need regulations. Make sure
legislators propose right regulations.
M: HB 1950 set aside
that says people have to apply for redress to Public Utility Commission. Corbett a disappointment on environment. If put safety in jeopardy should go to
jail. Cases where people intentionally
put fracking water in to water. Should
go to jail. I will be a fighter.
K: That’s what
happens when politics takes over. Need a
prosecutor not a politician.
M: My opponent
supported Corbett for AG re-election. My
record is clear. Two Democrats in the House
supported the Frack Act – Sestak and me.
Q7: PA constitute
vague about AG duties. Define..
M: PA AG is people’s
protector. Tough on crime and fight for
values we believe in. Environmental
crime. Consumer protection. An active AG can make a different in everyday
people’s lives.
K: [cites law on AG
duties]: chief law enforcement
officer. Need to know PA law. I have practiced them. Patrick wants to say I’m a bad Democrat. If you want a politician vote for
Patrick. If you want a prosecutor vote
for me.
M: Not just
Corbett. You can give money to anyone you
want but you can’t say one thing and do another.
K: [jab at Murphy on
immigration, referring to a previous debate]
Q8: women’s health
K: In courtroom not
Congress, protect women who have been raped, found justice for them. They didn’t care what my politics were or who
I wrote checks to. I’m a pro-choice
candidate.
M: Women have a right
to choose, right to privacy. My actions
will reflect that right. I was invited
to speak at NARAL a few days ago. PA
passed a bill that will close 20 out of 22 clinics. You have to be willing to fight every step of
the way.
Q9: 1200 people shot
and killed in PA each year. Illegal handguns.
M: Fight big fights –
take on special interested. I believe in
the 2nd amendment, own a gun.
But not an AK47. I’ve seen what
an AK47 can do to the human body. It’s
not pretty. In Philadelphia 236 people
murdered last year. Need a leader who
will take on special interests.
K: Been with police,
FBI, been to murder scenes. Make sure
programs continue, like Handgun [task force?].
Have a permitting problem in PA.
Need to make sure systems speaking to each other. Need to know PA laws. Patrick voted against DC handgun law.
M: That law wasn’t
constitutional. Have to be
consistent. 1 handgun a month.
K: It only takes one
handgun. Need practical solutions from
people have been on the street.
Q10: Proposed law,
NRA can sue localities
K: need lost and
stolen laws to stop straw purchases. Not
an infringement on 2nd amendment.
Bound by law to report a theft.
M: That bill was
outrageous. Lets NRA sue and get triple
damages. Cities won’t take on NRA. I’ve been on the streets. My dad, uncle, cousins are cops. Been a Judge Advocate General in
military. Prosecuted criminals here and
overseas.
K: Respect Patrick’s
work. Issue is need to know PA laws.
M: Went to law school
in PA. Practiced law here for
years. Not just knowing law but fighting
laws under attack now.
Q11: Sandusky. What
would you have done differently?
M: As a prosecutor
took out a high level Navy commander who molested a 7 year girl. If elected will do a top to bottom
review. If anyone slow-walked that
investigation they will have to answer for it.
Need to make sure have secure statewide database and strengthen mandatory
reporting and get rid of time limits.
K: Testimony of one
victim is enough. Corbett said one victim
not enough to bring charges. I would have
investigated promptly. Have never put a
sexual abuse case before a grand jury.
Takes too long.
M: At 15th
and Chestnut St. there is a child advocacy center. Need more of those.
K: Would have more if
then if there was a $5 fee [missed this] to employ trained doctors and [missed
this]. Bill held up.
Q12: been part of
[missed this, but I think it is the case against the Affordable Health Care Act]
suit?
K: No, purely
politically motivated. If elected will
take PA out.
M: I agree
Q13: HB 934, voter ID
M: Bill is
wrong. Takes away rights of elderly,
college students and others who don’t have ID.
Should fight against voter fraud.
But this basically disenfranchises people. Extreme right wing agenda.
K: Violation of civil
rights of everyone in PA. Patrick is
right that it’s a suppression. Affects
elderly the most. Their id isn’t valid
or they don’t know where it is. Who’s
next?
Q14: A Democrat has
never been elected in PA. How to defeat
a Republican?
K: Go toe to toe with
the Republican nominee. He has a law and
order record. Need a Democratic
candidate with a law and order record.
Even Democrats are voting for the Republican law and order
candidate. Need most qualified. I’m the only qualified prosecutor in the
Democratic primary.
M: Critically
important. Will put my life and
prosecutorial experience against R candidate.
We will take the fight to the GOP.
R candidate is Dave Freed. Environmental
crime, budget cuts, need to let people know.
Fight for progressive values.
K: Voters want to know
how often you’ve been in PA courtrooms.
My record can stand up to Rs.
M: Four years ago we
had a county DA who stood up to Corbett.
Kathleen supported Corbett. I
have a large number of Facebook and twitter followers. Need grassroots support.
Q15: Support
legislation to prevent AG from running for governor
M: yes, should have
had it four years ago.
K: yes AG should be
the destination not the journey. Will
pledge not to run for governor.
Q16: Protect citizens
from corporate malfeasance.
K: Limits on campaign
spending and special interest. I’ve
self-funded my campaign $2million. Shows
independent, not beholden.
M: Process now
completely tainted. Not taking corporate
money, supported DISCLOSE ACT. Can’t
self-fund though, but did receive $1.5 million from 2500 donors. If elected will do everything to change
process.
K: I didn’t take
$170,000 in PAC money. Time to elect
Democratic AG, only candidate qualified.
M: I’m also
qualified.
Q17: Protect non-US
citizens.
M: Immigration a
problem, secure borders. Employers
exploit illegal immigrants. AG cracks
down. Of the 19 soldiers in the 82nd
Airborne killed in Iraq, one was not a citizen, here on green card. Need to do what is right.
K: Immigration laws
need to be reformed. I will enforce all
of the laws. Strengthen borders. Can’t deport everyone. Need a career path to citizenship. AG enforces the laws.
M: Don’t deport
everyone.
Q18: limits on local
government, especially environmental regs
K: If local
governments given regulations they wouldn’t have to make their own. But a farm might be in multiple municipalities. Need laws and regulations to protect air and
water. State government has regulations
needed to protect people.
M: It is broken. Marcellus shale is “big footing.” Now people have to go through PUC. Need to do what is take sot keep environment
safe. Need an AG who will fight.
K: Need to make sure
any bill passed prevents municipality from complaining.
M: Justice system
gives a voice to everyone.
Q19: AG serves on
pardon board. What are your
qualifications for this?
M: Case by case
basis. In PA 78% of inmates don’t have a
high school diploma. Now a 2 year wait
to get GED. Need a leader who makes sure
legislators understand what bill will do.
K: Qualification is
chief law enforcement official. Worked with
law enforcement. Need to know PA laws of
parole and pardon. Need to now what
crimes have high recidivism rate.
M: Important to have
an AG who understands what works and doesn’t, who will fight.
K: being on the
street with police officers is protecting them.
Q20: non-violent drug
offenders
K: Usually a
possession charge. Addicts. Treat root of the problem.
M: Simple possession
in non-violent sense should go to drug court, heroin and meth are serious
issues. Partner with law enforcement and
community leaders. Be proactive,
alternative courts.
K: time to walk the
walk. Sat through drug court. Make sure every county had resources for drug
court.
Q21: AG duty on
environment
M: rights to clean
air and water under attack. Over 3300
violations, over 2000 have direct impact on environment. Must do everything possible to fight special
interests. Need a leader and fight big
fights.
K: AG’s office has an
environmental office, understaffed and under utilized. Need to be a proactive.
M: Let’s look at
record. Zero prosecutions. Why do they continue to look the other way?
Q22: If opponent
elected how would you feel?
K: Hope we elect a
Democrat. I believe I’m the best
candidate. Hope we all turn out to
vote.
M: Democrats need to
win this race. Campaigning is not
easy. I believe my skillset is
better. But must come together after the
primary.
Closing Statements
M: Same points used
against Bobby Kennedy – too young and inexperienced. Don’t just prosecute but set priorities for
office. That’s why for first time civil
rights laws enforced. First to admit I’m
no Bobby Kennedy. Ask who will fight the
big fights.
K: next AG will try
Sandusky case. Now you have a
choice. Who will you choose? Choose a prosecutor who has experience
prosecuting sex offenders. Not just
leadership, but need prosecutorial skills.